LIE NING explores the complexity of intimacy in the latest EP “sweatshop”! We talked to the outstanding artist about the new EP, which delves into the intricate aspects of human intimacy and shines a light on the multifaceted nature of sexuality.
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As a black individual, LIE NING has encountered instances of objectification, fetishization, and sexualization from an external perspective. Throughout the creative process of their upcoming record titled “utopia,” LIE NING faced challenges in incorporating explicit sexual language in their lyrics. This journey compelled LIE NING to explore their unique sexual language, delving into the various layers that extend beyond mere physicality. The EP “sweatshop” beautifully encompasses sensuality, desire, raw lust, as well as feelings of fear, helplessness, boredom, distraction, and pain. The eponymous track “sweatshop” embodies the contrasting elements that shape the trajectory of the EP.
Imagine returning home after a grueling 12+ hour shift, utterly exhausted, and questioning your life choices. A partner, lover, or date eagerly awaits you. Despite experiencing genuine and honest desires, your mind becomes consumed by distracting thoughts. You find yourself engaged in a sexual encounter while simultaneously resenting your employer. Disconnecting from the magic of the moment, you descend further into a longing for a deeper connection. This illustrates how sex alone may not be enough; meaningful connection requires more. The environment we inhabit significantly influences our ability to be present and nurture human connections.
LIE NING described the inspiration behind the song “sweatshop” in these words. As a versatile artist, model, dancer, art director, and advocate for the LGBTQ+ and POC communities, LIE NING has built an impressive career.
Can you tell us more about the inspiration behind your latest EP, “sweatshop,” and how it explores the complexity of intimacy?
The idea for „sweatshop“ came to me after writing my song „drive“ I wanted to approach a more vulgar language and found myself struggling with it. Why? It took me some time to realize that my experiences with intimacy, specifically gay sex, have not been what you can find in modern pop songs. I needed to develop my language and find the perspectives from which I wanted to share my experiences, which are so many of my friends’ experiences alike.
You mentioned the challenges of incorporating explicit sexual language in your lyrics. Can you elaborate on your journey of exploring your unique sexual language?
I mean, what turns you on? That’s such a personal preference. Yet we are more or less exposed to a one-dimensional or two-dimensional version of it. Sonically, there’s such a broad spectrum of intimate sounds. From ASMR to screaming, breathing, moaning, etc. I definitely incorporated a couple of mine in here. And to me, consent is so f*ing hot. And that’s also rarely mentioned.
How would you describe the overall theme or message conveyed through the songs in “sweatshop”?
Fuck who, how, where, and when you want. Do it in your way. And with a bit of brainpower, you’ll dismantle some of our many stupid societal constructs that keep us at bay.
Could you share the significance of the titular track, “sweatshop,” and how it embodies the dualities that shape the trajectory of the EP?
sweatshop was one of the first tracks I wrote for the EP. I knew I wanted to write about sex, and I wanted to work less conceptually than I did in the past. Which means I was allowing in all the emotions I felt that particular day. When writing on „sweatshop“ and „in the mood for love,“ I was exhausted, angry, dissatisfied, and felt helpless regarding the industry I work in. It is harder to be intimate, open, transparent, and empathetic when you’re overworked, burned out, or just not feeling yourself. In „sweatshop“ I draw inspiration from my sister and longtime collaborator Don Aretino, who has to work his ass off designing incredible outfits just to survive. It was a sweatshop at times. „in the mood for love“ begins with heavy, exhausted breathing that we then turn into a beat.
As a versatile artist involved in various creative fields, how do you approach incorporating different elements such as music, dance, and visual aesthetics into your artistic expression?
Merging all the arts is so important to me. Working with professionals from other fields is my favourite thing in the world. At the end of the day, we are all working on pretty similar ideas, yet from such unique perspectives. Bringing these together allows for a bigger picture. For this EP, I wanted the visuals to be rough and raw like the gay experience can be at times. But with hope and trust. I worked together with Vincent Schneider, a young artist I have known since he was 18. Approaching these topics from his POV was interesting. Loved it.
With an impressive career that includes collaborations with renowned brands and performances at notable festivals, how do you balance artistic authenticity with commercial success?
Honestly, at this point, just pay me. I’ve done a lot; it’s time to plug in the fruits. The better I get paid, the more time I have to truly devote myself to concepts.
Your debut album, “utopia,” received critical acclaim. How did the production process differ for “sweatshop,” and what elements did you explore or experiment with in this EP?
The EP, to me, felt like a renaissance. I wrote most of it with only one person, Paul Dixon, aka Fyfe, who also produced it all. I wanted everything to be as personal and real as possible. Which meant I had to write it all by myself. That was different from utopia.
How do you feel your experiences as a black individual have influenced your perspective on intimacy, sexuality, and relationships, as portrayed in “sweatshop”?
Oh, that was the basis of everything. As a queer person, I’ve been sexualized so early in my life. But as a black man, the stereotypes that come along with it give you a glimpse into the darkest depths of humankind. I will not be shocked at how close desire and hate can be.
What impact do you hope “sweatshop” will have on listeners, particularly in terms of promoting understanding and acceptance of diverse experiences and identities?
I hope that listeners feel empowered to do themselves by trusting themselves. And to listen. We also built all these different sounds to train the ear. When I whisper, you’ll listen closer, then let yourself go into an open orchestral part. We’re taking you on a journey, and if you consent to it, this EP is having sex with you.
Looking ahead, what can we expect from your future projects, and how do you plan to continue pushing boundaries and challenging societal norms through your art?
You can expect the most or nothing. I’m currently in LA working on my next album. More pop, more sounds, more LIE NING.
